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| Adminroc |
Posted: April 06, 2004 01:52 pm
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A good question, I do not know the answer. But I can guess of course. Many have suggested one of the three options as noted in the thread header and it may well be that all three are relevant.
Mostly, I would think disappointed at the lost opportunity. Lost chance for many souls in bodies in this world to elevate themselves and help others by his example. Will we be able to change that mood when Christ returns? ===++++++++++++=== Mark 8:35
"For whoever wishes to save his life shall lose it; but whoever loses his life for My sake and the gospel's shall save it" Mark 8:36 "For what does it profit a man to gain the whole world, and forfeit his soul?" |
| Imphead |
Posted: May 27, 2004 12:54 pm
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I think that's dependent on how you see God. If he is the great father that wants his children to make him proud, his son will be sad to see what man did to the world, and happy that there are some left fighting for Him. On the other hand, if you see God as a strict ruler, Jezus wil be more angry.
In my view of Jezus as he was, supposed that his character will not have changed in the millenia that he was away, will not be furious or perhaps not even angry. As a person I think he would be sad to see his message did not get carried out the way he wanted. It would also be like him to be happy with the scarce bit of perfect things we have left in this world, mixed feelings perhaps. It would be very naive to be fully happy and not nice towards faithful christians to be fully sad. If I appear to be wrong and he will actually come back some day, not in the form of some mentally disordered fool thinking he is Jezus, but as the actual messiah, we can ask him how he feels ===++++++++++++=== ![]() |
| Nessera |
Posted: June 20, 2004 02:02 pm
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I kind of agree with Imp. But it indeed depends largely on how you see these things. However I think it depends more on how you see Christ (instead of God, as Imphead suggested). If you believe Christ is a person, with human-like feelings, then you cannot expect him to be truly happy - or truly sad. On the other hand, I know a lot of people who have a different view of Christ. He, for them, is the incarnation of God's thoughts and love, and therefore his messenger. That being the case, he probably won't have these human feelings of regret or sorrow. The people who see him that way often believe he will be truly happy, as he bears the love of God inside. He therefore won't be able to be angry with people who don't follow him, or be sad.
I believe neither the former nor the latter. I do not believe Christ is a human-like person. But, when you read the Bible, you come across a lot of passages of Christ having actual feelings or emotions, other than sheer happiness. (his being afraid, for a moment, to die, is one of the best examples of course). So, thinking that he cannot actually feel makes no sense to me either. I personally believe he will experience two 'levels' of feeling (or emotion) when he will return. He shall, I guess, incarnate in a human body again. On that, earthy, level, he will feel something of regret and and perhaps even a little anger because not all men will follow him. But I think that because he is indeed the son of God, he has a perfect 'soul' (which is what I think we all strife (sp?) for) and having this he will be able to put aside those imperfect feelings easily and be truly happy with the true Christians, and each good person walking this Earth. I myself hope he shall return, even though I'm not a Christian. I find Christ such an inspirering person and I would indeed love to see him, even if it were just a glimpse. Nessera |
| Adminroc |
Posted: June 21, 2004 01:08 am
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Imphead,
I unlike many christians do not see god as a father or an angry parent. But, a returning Christ, as an emissary for god would not come to just warn or to teach but to lead the followers to a place of salvation (not in heaven but maybe on this earth). Those not agreeing with this state of affairs would be free to do as they please and possibly leave if they like. While I think that mankind must respect the earth and all creatures on it I do think that humans have dominion over such and have a right to use them to take care of their needs. This allows the advancement of humans and all that assists this advancement are in their own way advancing too. A sacrifice of sorts I think. Mind you I also believe that there is entities above us too, so the game is much more complex than we believe. ===++++++++++++=== Mark 8:35
"For whoever wishes to save his life shall lose it; but whoever loses his life for My sake and the gospel's shall save it" Mark 8:36 "For what does it profit a man to gain the whole world, and forfeit his soul?" |
| Imphead |
Posted: June 22, 2004 04:46 pm
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Not very socialistic thinking roc
You persist in Christ 'leading us somewhere', but if this is not heaven, where is it? Will he (like his '''predecessors''' (if that is the correct spelling Ness has a point ===++++++++++++=== ![]() |
| Nessera |
Posted: July 07, 2004 11:01 am
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Mmm I do not agree with this at all. I believe the earth and all that dwells thereon is not to be dominated by human beings. We can live on the earth, and indeed take what we need, as long as we give as well. To maintain balance, one must take and give. People used to understand that, but somehow we seem to have forgotten about it, as we've lost our respect for nature. And that isn't wise, because however advanced we are, we cannot fight nature for long. Sooner or later this advancement of ours will turn against us, I think. The same goes for animals: they're our fellow beings and we should be respectful towards them, which we aren't. This is also why I'm a vegetarian. I see any animal as my equal, and therefore I won't eat it when we aren't on equal bases. With nowadays bio-industry and enormous meat consumption we definately aren't. If we would be a normal part of the food cycle, (see 'The Lion King' for a fantastic and sweet explanation) than perhaps I would eat meat, cause I'd be eaten myself, either living, or dead (for example; as grass (again see 'The Lion King' for further details Nessera |
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| zentradi |
Posted: August 04, 2004 11:10 pm
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I will strictly adhere to the question: In my quite human guess, Christ would be neither. He would have known what was to come. Ergo, I posit he would be neither sad nor happy for he truely understands man and mans nature, and the balance of those who would believe and not believe. But isnt that the point of us being who we are. Can we really imagine what the mind of God would ever be?
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| Imphead |
Posted: August 06, 2004 11:14 am
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lolz, if they are your equals, and they eat each other, I'm surprised you didn't eat me Giving and taking keeps the balance the way it is, only taking changes it, as does only giving, both for better or for worse, but I agree with Nessera that we are not here to consume everything that is here, or that everything is here for our leisure. I like the Lion King too, especially because of the sense of humor of the illustrators, in a certain scene you see Simba with a cloud of stars or flies or whatever above his head, and if you pause your video/dvd at a certain point, it clearly reads 'SEX', childrens movies eh? Zentradi has a point there [off-topic]You tend to use Latin in your posts, is that a habit, do you do that to look cool or are you extremely bilingual? ===++++++++++++=== ![]() |
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| Adminroc |
Posted: August 23, 2004 10:27 pm
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How can all be equal when the animal kingdom and nature does not believe this?
Equality is a human concept developed out of a rational yearning but not borne in a realistic grounding. The students in the school are all equal but they are not all equal. Those with higher grades of study are above those lower. They are equal but they are not. Such is existance. We consume that below us to exist as entities above us consume us to exist. Is this fair? Maybe a better question or topic is to ask how can one escape this 'unjust existance?' ===++++++++++++=== Mark 8:35
"For whoever wishes to save his life shall lose it; but whoever loses his life for My sake and the gospel's shall save it" Mark 8:36 "For what does it profit a man to gain the whole world, and forfeit his soul?" |
| Brian |
Posted: August 30, 2004 12:59 pm
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This presumes that the Christ had ever left.
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| Adminroc |
Posted: August 30, 2004 10:14 pm
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Good point brother!
On some levels I have to believe that this prophet of the light never left us. ===++++++++++++=== Mark 8:35
"For whoever wishes to save his life shall lose it; but whoever loses his life for My sake and the gospel's shall save it" Mark 8:36 "For what does it profit a man to gain the whole world, and forfeit his soul?" |
| Imphead |
Posted: September 03, 2004 03:56 am
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yeah, 'he's still with us in our hearts' right? He's looooooooong gone, but he did leave something behind, didn't he?
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| Brian |
Posted: September 03, 2004 10:43 am
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If Jesus could overcome death on the cross, do you believe that old age was the master of his body? There is Jesus the man/soul, and there is The Christ. They are not entirely the same thing. Jesus teaches that "the Kingdom of Heaven is within you". This internal Kingdom is The Christ within. The Christ is not the man Jesus, it's the centre of all consciousness, attached to all things that exist. Find the Christ within yourself and all things shall be given to you.
The man Jesus has full consciousness of all things in Creation. Hence he declares "the Father and I are One". All have this complete consciousness available to them. You may call upon your own Kingdom within, or you may call upon the man Jesus to guide and assist you in finding the Kingdom within. Jesus the Christ stills lives on this Earth in a physical body. He did not age, grow ill, fall to disease nor succumb to the the swords of the ignorant. He did not return to Heaven for he'd never left Heaven while living here in the physical body. "I and the Father are One." Jesus has nowhere else to go because he's already everywhere. He has no reason to ignore humanity for as long as the lesson is not understood by all. |
| ShadowWalker |
Posted: September 03, 2004 08:18 pm
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It's hard to say. Two of Jesus's titles are Lamb of God and Lion of Judah. It is quite possible the moneychangers at the Temple met the Lion of Judah and felt his wrath. Even Judgment Day is termed a day of wrath.
I agree somewhat with Brian that the Kingdom is within. Jesus is the King of that Kingdom. Jesus is my King. Sure I am probably the lousiest servant he ever had, but Jesus also states the Kingdom of Heaven is not of the world of man, nor worldly things. I don't belong to the world of man. I no longer belong to man's history or to any nation because I belong to the Kingdom. Jesus said he who will lose his life for my sake will regain his life. Death to one's ego/self, but being human ego does pop up from time to time. I am dead man. Probably why I like deadpan humor. I feel a connection to Brian because Brian is talking about the Kingdom. Brian knows the Kingdom is within. So Brian and I pretty much on the same page in that regard. We might not think exactly alike, but I would be likely to consider him to be my Brethern. At another site through the past couple of years a few people came through talking about prophecy and they didn't seem to be deceived by this world at all. I talk with some people by email. These I consider to be my Brethern. My friends I study with outside of this modern day thang called cyber-space discuss Jesus teachings, the scriptures, prophecy, and the Kingdom. They are my Brethern. I belong to Kingdom that is coming not the world that is going. I wouldn't know if Jesus came back in a flesh body if he could even humble this world considering how proud vain arrogant and obnoxious many people are. He'd just probably get the same treatment all over again. I don't know. I have no idea what kind of mood Jesus is going to be in when he comes back. There is no telling because according to Rev 19 when returns it doesn't sound all to pretty like he's in any playing around mode at that time. Plus he'll be in his spiritual body. That will be something. There won't be any nation or nations upon the earth with enough armies or weapons to stop him. Of course by that time God will have sent his judgments upon this world, and nations will be warring even worse than they are now. Who can make war with the Beast? And God puts it into the minds of men to burn Mystery Babylon in one hour, to what extent I don't know. Don't know if it is a nuclear attack, if it is only upon the great city in Mystery Babylon or all of Mystery Babylon is destroyed. Rev 18, for the merchants of the earth were great men who deceived all the nations with their sorceries. Merchants of the earth, huh, deceiving all the nations of the earth with sorceries. I guess they deceive the whole earth but they don't deceive God or Jesus. Considering how long ago Revelation was written it looks like God and Jesus were way ahead of them. Of course God and Jesus are way ahead of everyone in the games human beings play here upon planet earth. |
| Adminroc |
Posted: September 04, 2004 06:01 pm
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ShadowWalker:
you are of the world of men though, I understand you feelings toward that and how you can see the real existance of your soul and the need to separate from that which contains a part of you... how do you do this? is this the best thing to do... I have not always been sure about this... wavering both back and forth.. I see advantage and disadvantage in both leaving and staying. ===++++++++++++=== Mark 8:35
"For whoever wishes to save his life shall lose it; but whoever loses his life for My sake and the gospel's shall save it" Mark 8:36 "For what does it profit a man to gain the whole world, and forfeit his soul?" |
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