Will Christ be happy, sad or angry?

[ShadowWalker]

Adminroc,

I am in the world or man, but I am not of the world of man. I rejected the world of man for Jesus, and his Kingdom. This does not make me perfect, or sinless, or above anyone. The scriptures state no matter what nation I live in I am under the authority of men, their worldly authority, and I am to obey their laws whether just, unjust, or just plain stupid.

I am not saying this of you personally or your nation, but it is like you stating can Iraq become a civilized nation. The question I poses is what makes you think your a civilized nation? Based upon what?

Where as my concept of the microcosim I lived in as a child was this world was nothing short of an insane asylum. A controlled insane asylum that has a form of civility to it and a form or reality, but those are only forms of civility, and a form of reality that may not be reality at all? Nothing has changed in my life since being a child that does not make me think this world is anything other than an controlled insane asylum with a form of reality, but since God is bringing this world to this world's end I am not actually concerned about this thing.

I live a civil life towards my fellow man. I love the Lord my God with all my heart, and I love my neighbors as I love myself.

Being at a very early age I had the concept that this world is hardly anything more than an insane asylum I began to look for other people who saw this world as an insane asylum.

Jesus teaches not to be like the Gentiles and seek after the things they seek but first seek you the Kingdom of Heaven/God, and then all things will be added unto you. His greatest admonishments were towards the religious faction of his day and the rich. Jesus says not to build up your treasures upon the earth but to build them up in the Kingdom of Heaven. Man's world teaches money and mammon are success. In this world money can equate into worldly power and worldly ambitions upon the earth and has done throughout time.

In the context of my life I travelled throughout most of my life and my possessions, clothes, cooking stuff, work tools, a small tv, and mini-stereo could fit into a car or a van. Any city I went into to live had problems. They had the same problems the last city I lived in. The people in those cities had the same problems the people in the last city had that I lived in. Those problems might vary due to population size and so forth.

While I was just kind of on a working vacation. Just passing through. I lived in Nevada a few times and there my mathematical skills added to my income. Not to mention some skilled observation, and some luck. If there is such a thing as, luck. Most people would say, you were gambling. No. I was applying mathematical odds and probabilties, and I had a certain amount of money set aside to play that I never lost because I had a range of a set amount of money to win, and then I quit. Disciple. A boss of mine was an undiscipled gambler. Not to mention a gamboholic.

He invited me out one night after work and we passed a roulette wheel and I played roulette and he watched me, and in a matter of minutes I had 50 bucks and I quit. He went up and down through the night until he lost a 100 or 200. He was playing games that mathematically do not pay off in the long run of their play that a person has to quit when they get ahead especially playing the amount of money he was playing. The games he was playing I would never invest the amount of money he playing at. Those are entertainment games or games of moderation. If you want to invest 10 bucks for a few hours entertainment to play, you might win a few bucks, hit the royal flush you might win some big bucks. Odds and probabilities of hitting the royal flush are slim. I hit three of them in my entire stays but one was pretty big.

Down the road I was living in Hollywood, and my former drummer moved there with me. He was young kid. He and I took a 6 dollar bus trip to Vegas that included motel room for the night. I told him to make every bet I made. He didn't and lost money. He chickened out. On the way back home the bus attendent asked if anyone won. Everyone looked glum. As she got back to area my friend and I were sitting he pointed at me. In a day and half I made around 500 dollars. But I knew exactly what I was going to do and how I was going to play and I knew the mathematical odds and percentages of how I play roulette which is vastly different than how other people play.

I can tell you by mathematics that unless the human population pretty much lives as the Native Tribes of North America lived on a planet wide and yearly basis continually this world will come to it's end. Jesus said unless the days of the Tribulation where cut short there would no flesh spared.

I don't have anything to do with the world of man's political world and political lies, nor it's business world other than I worked in the business world, nor do I have anything to personally do with religion. I don't judge my fellow man though because what good would that do to judge anyone.

Before retirement my last stint was with a Corporation. I didn't look like them. I didn't talk like them. I didn't socialize with them after work, and they didn't much desire to promote me at all when I first started there, but they ran out of people they could promote, and my work was too good. In one of my those things business people call an employee evaluation my superviser told me she couldn't find any fault with my work but she had to make three things because those were the rules. But I got a big raise anyways. In addition to my job as a supervisor I set up three training programs for new employees, and I often wrote business proposals that might improve this thing or that and I would give the proposal to her and say look this over and tell me what you think?

In my personal free time I spent most of my time with the homeless in my area or going into bars to get conversations going about Jesus. I use my talents to further convesations about Jesus. One of my talents is to write. Because I write I read.

I was one of those voracious readers as a child. As I got older I got more selective. I've actually scared some people about things I can tell them about themselves within 30 minutes of meeting them. Things they don't think anyone should know. I study human beings. I study how they think. Human beings at best think badly. Nuclear weapons should have never been invented, but they were, and so they are, but perhaps before God they are an abomination. A perversion of the atomic structure. This has to do with the increase of knowledge written about in the scriptures.

In reading history about the Native tribes many Indians did not want to learn the white man's knowledge because they thought it was forbidden. To me that is interesting that even back then they had a concept of knowledge that was forbidden.

This world primarlity operates under the Merhcants of the earth who are found in Rev 18. who are great men that deceive all the nations of the earth. What you think is politics is actually the underhanded political agendas of the Merchants of the earth. Everything is bought and sold upon the earth.

While you think your civilized or live in a civilized nation to me you might be living in a beast kingdom/nation and worshipping after the Beast. You may be a lover of man's world. You may think this is what it is all about, this world. You may not understand prophecy from the reverse. That all depends on how much you know about prophecy, and Mystery Babylon. What you may think is good, could be bad, because men do evil and call it good.

You may be considerably deceived about what is happening upon the earth right now. Who you think good guys are may not be the good guys at all. What you think civilizaion is may be nothing more than a controlled insane asylum.

This has to do with the sinful wicked nature of man. The sins of pride and vanity are almost twin sins. I already know mathematically man left to his own devices would destroy himself, and the Tribulation will proceed as Jesus spoke that if it were not for God's intervention no flesh would be spared. I already know things will proceed as the Book of Revelation speaks of them.

There are two thoughts on the Two Witnesses. One is they are symbolic of this or that or they are actually what appears to be two human beings, but if they are two human beings they are not humans as you know human beings to be. My current belief is they are two human beings who God has given the authority to curse this world, and to level plagues upon it, smite it as often as they will, and to even stop up the heavens from raining. Global drought and famine.

The day is coming when God will begin sending his judgments against this world.

The authority the Two Witnesses will have come from God. The authority of man's worldly governments of lying politicians come from man. Jesus's authority came from his Father. Under man's law, Roman law, he had the right to teach about his God as long as he did not teach any sedition towards Rome. Jesus never taught sedition or violence towards Rome. Jesus never taught violence towards anyone.

Rome had a Senate. Their coin bore the graven image of man upon it that is an abomination before God. Romans were Idolaters and their Idolatry was an abomination before God. They had the mightiest legions/army upon the earth at that time. Where are they now? Their civilization lasted some 3000 years. How longs yours been around? Did Jesus's right to teach of his Father and the Kingdom come from the Roman Senate, or from his Father? Jesus did things in accord with both. Under Roman law he the right to teach about his Father, and he obeyed Roman law and did not teach sedition or violence towards Rome or Romans.

The Hopi people have pretty much been in the same spot for an estimated 9000 years or much more. Admitedly things aren't all that swell for them but they've been around a long time as a people. As tribal people.

I know what they think of your civilization because I drew them a symbol you don't know about. I drew the symbol for the Hopi mother of the family I was staying with and I watched her compete body reaction when I drew that symbol, and listend to the one word sentence she spoke.

I was in complete agreement with the sentence she spoke. And nothing has changed my mind since. Ah, fun.

Now today I talked to a working guy who has some problems to keep his mind on his work because he has a tendency to mouth off to bosses, and his fellow employees, and some prophecy, other things happening on the earth right now, and possibly in the future according to prophecy. And a few months ago I told him he wasn't welcome in my home. Now was the time to re-establish contact with him. But that is whole different story.

I wrote a short story where a cable tv owner sends God a bill with a note attached saying, nobody gets to watch for free.

This post has been edited by ShadowWalker on September 06, 2004 01:21 am

[Adminroc]

ShadowWalker;

well I meant civilized in terms of western ideals, but we both agree that that is not an absolute standard by any measure..

I agree that this world is controlled... insane? I guess if you do not fully comprehend what is going on... not sure that it is insane to the controllers though.

the problem with materiality is that you do need some of it to advance in certain levels but of course you can loose yourself in it too... thus the quandry in this physical realm we find ourselves in here..

how do you do so well with numbers? do you visualize them? do you see a bigger reality around them or do you feel a path? interesting points you make here.

I will address some of your comments in additional posts, I don't have time to do that right now.

[Razor]

Greetings all

To answer the Original Question,
I would say that Christ would feel that it is time for Gods will be carried out on Earth as it is in heaven.
As you know he will put down all rule and authority, and all enemies under his feet.

He must Reign !

Once that is done, he can begin the process of bringing all men to the knowledge of the Truth.

Nobody will be lost to God my freinds be assured of that.

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Now to the one who works, his wage is not reckoned as a favor but as what is due. But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness (Romans 4:4-5).

This post has been edited by Razor on July 09, 2005 08:33 am

[rockymountainbahai.com]

With all due respect, I believe Christ has already returned. Check out the proofs for this claim at my site: rockymountainbahai.com.

Thanks!

[Adminroc]

Rockymountain:

actually I have to agree with you there, that Christ has indeed returned. I will check out your site when I can.

Not certain if this site mentions it anywhere but I have been advocating this for sometime now in a number of other sites on the web.

Much like the first time, Christ is learning the ropes so to speak and preparing for what is to come.